Interview with Marco – Four Months at Unified International, After 40 Years at Defence
Four months into his new role at Unified International, Marco Kievit brings a unique perspective: 40 years of Defence, seen from the inside. With a career spanning complex international aviation programmes, operational roles and a posting as Defence Attaché in Rome, he has built up a deep understanding of how Defence thinks, decides and operates. Now at Unified International, he puts that knowledge to work at the intersection of Defence and industry, helping both sides understand each other, align their interests and move forward together. In this follow-up interview, Marco reflects on the transition, the realities of collaboration, and what drives him.
You started at Unified International in February, so four months now. How are you experiencing work outside Defence, for the first time in 40 years?
First of all, you have to get used to no longer wearing a uniform and having to sign in as a visitor at Defence sites. That immediately makes clear that you are no longer a Defence employee. Beyond that, the experience at Unified International has been very positive so far. Many colleagues have a Defence background, so the Defence culture is present within the company as well. I also notice that there is genuine appreciation for the knowledge and experience you have built up through Defence. And there is plenty of room to take initiatives. The assignments I am working on tend to offer a win-win situation for the client, industry and Defence alike. These are all aspects that make me look forward to head to the office.
How are you applying the experience you gained at Defence to your work with industry?
I primarily represent the client’s interests, but I also try to align these with the interests of Defence. My experience makes it easier to translate the Defence perspective on specific issues, and its associated requirements, to the client. That is enormously helpful in bridging the two sides and increases the likelihood of successful collaboration between Defence and Defence-oriented companies.
One example is the need of Defence for scalability. Companies can and want to play a role in this, but they also need to keep their commercial interests in mind. With the Defence knowledge and experience within Unified International, we can act as the link between Defence and companies on an issue like this.
When you joined Unified International, you said that continuous innovation and close collaboration with knowledge institutes and industry are essential for European Defence. How realistic is that collaboration in practice, is there friction? What works well?
Within the Dutch Defence landscape, the concept of the “triple helix” (or the Defence ecosystem) has been discussed for some time: the idea of government, industry and knowledge institutes working closely together. Considerable effort has been made in recent years to improve this ecosystem, also at a European level, but we are not there yet.
Successful collaboration requires a long-term vision and commitment from all parties involved. That must ultimately translate into concrete assignments and the funding required to support them. The willingness to work together is there, but it needs to become more concrete. Both in the form of long-term assignments and the securing of the necessary financing.

After 40 years in Defence, where do you see the biggest differences between the knowledge held by industry and by Defence?
Defence is an end-user and builds up extensive operational knowledge and experience through the deployment of weapons systems. The expertise of the industry lies primarily in developing and producing those systems. Defence historically tends to focus on off-the-shelf procurement. That is still partially true today, but there is now far greater attention to innovative products. Developing new products requires a different kind of relationship with the industry. Defence will need to share its operational knowledge and experience, and the industry will need to translate the operational lessons into new or improved solutions. Knowledge institutes play an important role in this, but so does a company like Unified International, acting as the link between Defence and industry.
You fell in love with Italy during your posting in Rome. What do you miss most, and what do you bring with you to your work at Unified?
Italy is a young country, but with an extraordinarily rich history. Every region has its own culture and is proud of it. Being aware of cultural differences and handling them in a pragmatic way was very important in my previous role. I carry that with me at Unified International, given that we too operate in an international arena where cultural differences come into play.
What would you like to focus on in the period ahead at Unified International?
From within Unified International, I have a clear view of the challenges that Defence and industry face in the years ahead. I am already involved in several cases where we work together with industry and Defence to overcome those challenges. It is enormously motivating to play a role in breaking down barriers to collaboration and supporting new opportunities for partnership.








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